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		<title>By: new forms of live shows &#171; the Wordpress of Lucas Gonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2007/12/07/kid-gig-128/comment-page-1/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>new forms of live shows &#171; the Wordpress of Lucas Gonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 02:20:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 8, 2007    Conversation on the kid gig 12/8 post developed around the interaction between changing music and existing forms of performance. The [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jay Fienberg</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2007/12/07/kid-gig-128/comment-page-1/#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Fienberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:36:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last live show I did was a band reunion where most of the audience was made up of band members&#039; kids, nieces and nephews. Playing for kids is really great--in many ways better then when I was a kid and most of the audience would be our parents, aunts and uncles.

btw, Seattle has lots of live music in bars, pubs, coffee houses, laundromats, etc., and it&#039;s really a great thing to be a music fan and be out at night and be around live music. It looks like it&#039;s a lot more fun to play here than the places where I used to play (in LA, SF). Bar gigs are not glorious for a musician, but they&#039;re often a big break from spending one&#039;s whole life in a cubicle, etc. And, if there&#039;s a crowd of real music fans in the mix, it can approach some real glory, IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last live show I did was a band reunion where most of the audience was made up of band members&#8217; kids, nieces and nephews. Playing for kids is really great&#8211;in many ways better then when I was a kid and most of the audience would be our parents, aunts and uncles.</p>
<p>btw, Seattle has lots of live music in bars, pubs, coffee houses, laundromats, etc., and it&#8217;s really a great thing to be a music fan and be out at night and be around live music. It looks like it&#8217;s a lot more fun to play here than the places where I used to play (in LA, SF). Bar gigs are not glorious for a musician, but they&#8217;re often a big break from spending one&#8217;s whole life in a cubicle, etc. And, if there&#8217;s a crowd of real music fans in the mix, it can approach some real glory, IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: lucasgonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2007/12/07/kid-gig-128/comment-page-1/#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>lucasgonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Accompanying a planetarium show or a multi-media presentation is a great example of a next-gen performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Accompanying a planetarium show or a multi-media presentation is a great example of a next-gen performance.</p>
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		<title>By: gurdonark</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2007/12/07/kid-gig-128/comment-page-1/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>gurdonark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted before I saw your post.

Most of my things appear at netlabels like NSI.
I am not opposed to CDs, but they&#039;re almost irrelevant to me, as you suggest. I made and even sold some a few years ago, but now they&#039;d be more a curious gift for friends than anything like &quot;music distribution&quot;.

I love meatspace performances. But I think the consructs for them are all rooted in performer/audience assumptions that are no longer the right assumptions. By this, I mean that
I have no desire to hold a candle up for a superstar anymore, but instead want to be drenched in an interactive medium. I love what Kristin Hersh and radiohead and Issa (nee&#039; Jane Siberry) are doing with self-directed payments, and what numerous people are doing with netlabel creative commons. I recently was on intelligentmachinery.net&#039;s &quot;collusion&quot; dark ambient piece--12 artists contributing to create one whole--not for the glory of anyone, but for the sheer participation of the thing. That&#039;s the present, and the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted before I saw your post.</p>
<p>Most of my things appear at netlabels like NSI.<br />
I am not opposed to CDs, but they&#8217;re almost irrelevant to me, as you suggest. I made and even sold some a few years ago, but now they&#8217;d be more a curious gift for friends than anything like &#8220;music distribution&#8221;.</p>
<p>I love meatspace performances. But I think the consructs for them are all rooted in performer/audience assumptions that are no longer the right assumptions. By this, I mean that<br />
I have no desire to hold a candle up for a superstar anymore, but instead want to be drenched in an interactive medium. I love what Kristin Hersh and radiohead and Issa (nee&#8217; Jane Siberry) are doing with self-directed payments, and what numerous people are doing with netlabel creative commons. I recently was on intelligentmachinery.net&#8217;s &#8220;collusion&#8221; dark ambient piece&#8211;12 artists contributing to create one whole&#8211;not for the glory of anyone, but for the sheer participation of the thing. That&#8217;s the present, and the future.</p>
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		<title>By: gurdonark</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2007/12/07/kid-gig-128/comment-page-1/#comment-381</link>
		<dc:creator>gurdonark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:05:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I&#039;d rather have my music accompany a planetarium show or a multi-media presentation than be a performer. I am all for concerts and performances, but I like the idea that one can be one component of a fun in which music is incorporated into a multi-media activity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I&#8217;d rather have my music accompany a planetarium show or a multi-media presentation than be a performer. I am all for concerts and performances, but I like the idea that one can be one component of a fun in which music is incorporated into a multi-media activity.</p>
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		<title>By: lucasgonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2007/12/07/kid-gig-128/comment-page-1/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>lucasgonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 23:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gurdonark, my impression is that the main context for your music is in relatively fluid online forums like CC Mixter and NSI.  Is that right?

If so, you are a truly next-generation player.  You don&#039;t play live, making CDs is pretty much an afterthought, and radio is just not on your mind.  At the same time you have a healthy listenership and do a steady stream of fresh music.

This is exactly what I&#039;m thinking of as far as next-generation contexts.  Your notes aren&#039;t played in real time, but you are surely performing, and the chronological flow of your new work is in real time.

Similar musical projects -- Calendar Girl; Kristen Hersh&#039;s regular blogged releases.

That part of the overall change is pretty firmly established at this point.  The part that isn&#039;t clear is how meatspace performances will be affected.  For example, maybe playing in schools and retirement communities will be a higher visibility gig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gurdonark, my impression is that the main context for your music is in relatively fluid online forums like CC Mixter and NSI.  Is that right?</p>
<p>If so, you are a truly next-generation player.  You don&#8217;t play live, making CDs is pretty much an afterthought, and radio is just not on your mind.  At the same time you have a healthy listenership and do a steady stream of fresh music.</p>
<p>This is exactly what I&#8217;m thinking of as far as next-generation contexts.  Your notes aren&#8217;t played in real time, but you are surely performing, and the chronological flow of your new work is in real time.</p>
<p>Similar musical projects &#8212; Calendar Girl; Kristen Hersh&#8217;s regular blogged releases.</p>
<p>That part of the overall change is pretty firmly established at this point.  The part that isn&#8217;t clear is how meatspace performances will be affected.  For example, maybe playing in schools and retirement communities will be a higher visibility gig.</p>
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		<title>By: gurdonark</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2007/12/07/kid-gig-128/comment-page-1/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>gurdonark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lately, I want all music to be in matinee&#039; form.
The &quot;nightlife prison&quot; for music does conjure up some rich, almost cinematic associations. Yet live music becomes so limited when its trapped in that dates-and-drinks-and-diversion mesh, and perhaps limited in a different way in the &quot;concert as religious experience&quot; groove.

I don&#039;t play live, but if I did, I&#039;d always play starting no later than 2 p.m.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lately, I want all music to be in matinee&#8217; form.<br />
The &#8220;nightlife prison&#8221; for music does conjure up some rich, almost cinematic associations. Yet live music becomes so limited when its trapped in that dates-and-drinks-and-diversion mesh, and perhaps limited in a different way in the &#8220;concert as religious experience&#8221; groove.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t play live, but if I did, I&#8217;d always play starting no later than 2 p.m.</p>
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		<title>By: Pribek</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2007/12/07/kid-gig-128/comment-page-1/#comment-387</link>
		<dc:creator>Pribek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 20:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;…and there’s a lot more to music than that.&quot;

Dead on Lucas. Playing in bars is all about reducing the musical experience to the lowest common denominator. I&#039;m not complaining. I&#039;m glad to have a chance to fire up the Tele tonight regardless.

&quot;Live performances being relegated to bars and stadiums is part of the non-interactive flavor of the music industry during the heyday of the record business.&quot;

I think you are right as rain again. T-Bone Burnett once said something like; &quot;The music industry is based on the principal of selling music to people who don&#039;t like music&quot;.

Who knows how the selling of music shakes out in this &quot;brave new world&quot;? Personally, I don&#039;t care.

I have a hunch that when the dust settles, there will be more opportunity to find a venue to play live for people who do like music.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;…and there’s a lot more to music than that.&#8221;</p>
<p>Dead on Lucas. Playing in bars is all about reducing the musical experience to the lowest common denominator. I&#8217;m not complaining. I&#8217;m glad to have a chance to fire up the Tele tonight regardless.</p>
<p>&#8220;Live performances being relegated to bars and stadiums is part of the non-interactive flavor of the music industry during the heyday of the record business.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think you are right as rain again. T-Bone Burnett once said something like; &#8220;The music industry is based on the principal of selling music to people who don&#8217;t like music&#8221;.</p>
<p>Who knows how the selling of music shakes out in this &#8220;brave new world&#8221;? Personally, I don&#8217;t care.</p>
<p>I have a hunch that when the dust settles, there will be more opportunity to find a venue to play live for people who do like music.</p>
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		<title>By: lucasgonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2007/12/07/kid-gig-128/comment-page-1/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>lucasgonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...and there&#039;s a lot more to music than that.

Live performances being relegated to bars and stadiums is part of the non-interactive flavor of the music industry during the heyday of the record business.  When it&#039;s interactive, like it is in a bar, it&#039;s in a marginal setting.

So I really like playing in ordinary life situations, outside of designated performance spaces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;and there&#8217;s a lot more to music than that.</p>
<p>Live performances being relegated to bars and stadiums is part of the non-interactive flavor of the music industry during the heyday of the record business.  When it&#8217;s interactive, like it is in a bar, it&#8217;s in a marginal setting.</p>
<p>So I really like playing in ordinary life situations, outside of designated performance spaces.</p>
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		<title>By: lucasgonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2007/12/07/kid-gig-128/comment-page-1/#comment-388</link>
		<dc:creator>lucasgonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:45:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, exactly.  Bars are fine for what they are, but it&#039;s really nice to go beyond that.  You have to play to the environment, so if people are chatty and drunk the music becomes the same way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, exactly.  Bars are fine for what they are, but it&#8217;s really nice to go beyond that.  You have to play to the environment, so if people are chatty and drunk the music becomes the same way.</p>
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