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	<title>Comments on: gurdonark manifesto</title>
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	<description>internet music technology since ~2002</description>
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		<title>By: gurdonark</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/04/18/gurdonark-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-441</link>
		<dc:creator>gurdonark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 18:36:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think you&#039;re right, Lucas, what I wrote before did not address the point you&#039;re making.

It&#039;s interesting how theory and praxis merge in these settings--in theory, one wishes in a more open music culture to permit as much importation as one is comfortable with doing--and then the praxis of how technologically to achieve the right comfort level comes into play. I lack the knowledge to address that set of issues, but they still interest me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you&#8217;re right, Lucas, what I wrote before did not address the point you&#8217;re making.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s interesting how theory and praxis merge in these settings&#8211;in theory, one wishes in a more open music culture to permit as much importation as one is comfortable with doing&#8211;and then the praxis of how technologically to achieve the right comfort level comes into play. I lack the knowledge to address that set of issues, but they still interest me.</p>
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		<title>By: lucasgonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/04/18/gurdonark-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-440</link>
		<dc:creator>lucasgonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:20:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About Patrick and gurdonark&#039;s comments, this goes to a weird little space where you&#039;d expect third parties to import parts of the source site beyond the MP3, so that listeners would get the context along with the song.  For example the song title, band name, album art, and social functionality.

It&#039;s the same kind of strategy as a Flash widget.  You don&#039;t distribute the MP3, you distribute your web presence as a whole.

Personally I wasn&#039;t hearing this in the manifesto.

Patrick, I liked the graphics on your MILA page a lot.  The page is dominated by pictures and songs   instead of text and controls.  That makes it feel more musical and less like a web app.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About Patrick and gurdonark&#8217;s comments, this goes to a weird little space where you&#8217;d expect third parties to import parts of the source site beyond the MP3, so that listeners would get the context along with the song.  For example the song title, band name, album art, and social functionality.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the same kind of strategy as a Flash widget.  You don&#8217;t distribute the MP3, you distribute your web presence as a whole.</p>
<p>Personally I wasn&#8217;t hearing this in the manifesto.</p>
<p>Patrick, I liked the graphics on your MILA page a lot.  The page is dominated by pictures and songs   instead of text and controls.  That makes it feel more musical and less like a web app.</p>
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		<title>By: lucasgonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/04/18/gurdonark-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-439</link>
		<dc:creator>lucasgonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 15:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Mark,

A Flash widget on Myspace will do the job pretty well.  It lacks the integrated Myspace functionality that their widget has, like the &quot;add&quot; button to add a song to your profile, but that&#039;s not a big loss.

So, yeah, this is absolutely a win.  On Myspace a musician just needs to set up a widget that auto-imports their music from a standard URL they host.  That&#039;s what I did for my own profile.  And it&#039;s incredibly convenient -- I just add a blog entry tagged &quot;audio&quot; to the soupgreens blog and any MP3 link in the entry will show up in the player on my Myspace profile.

The downside is theoretical on Myspace.  If they ever get their act together with vertical features like rating, it&#039;ll become an issue.  I figure they will do a big push here for the provisioning company they just created.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Mark,</p>
<p>A Flash widget on Myspace will do the job pretty well.  It lacks the integrated Myspace functionality that their widget has, like the &#8220;add&#8221; button to add a song to your profile, but that&#8217;s not a big loss.</p>
<p>So, yeah, this is absolutely a win.  On Myspace a musician just needs to set up a widget that auto-imports their music from a standard URL they host.  That&#8217;s what I did for my own profile.  And it&#8217;s incredibly convenient &#8212; I just add a blog entry tagged &#8220;audio&#8221; to the soupgreens blog and any MP3 link in the entry will show up in the player on my Myspace profile.</p>
<p>The downside is theoretical on Myspace.  If they ever get their act together with vertical features like rating, it&#8217;ll become an issue.  I figure they will do a big push here for the provisioning company they just created.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Collier</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/04/18/gurdonark-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-438</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Collier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The #1 distribution point is Myspace, correct?  Myspace is filled with 3rd party hosted songs playable via playlist.com widgets (and others).  So, I don&#039;t see why one must upload one&#039;s song to myspace to have it streamed.  A url will do fine, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The #1 distribution point is Myspace, correct?  Myspace is filled with 3rd party hosted songs playable via playlist.com widgets (and others).  So, I don&#8217;t see why one must upload one&#8217;s song to myspace to have it streamed.  A url will do fine, no?</p>
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		<title>By: gurdonark</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/04/18/gurdonark-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-437</link>
		<dc:creator>gurdonark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Apr 2008 04:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, Patrick. &quot;Creating a context&quot; is a thing an artist can bring to the music, in place of the curious PR job done in some cases so well and in some cases so badly by traditional labels. A &quot;container&quot; is a part of the equstion, as well as the metaphoric &quot;container&quot; of the narrative quality of the artist&#039;s &quot;intention&quot;.

I think you&#039;re right--we are moving beyond sharing mp3s into sharing culture in a context.
This is why, I think, I rarely download a free mp3 from soundclick (unless I know the artist in another context), but often download a netlabel release from a label I reapect (or an ad on the yahoo message group that &quot;gets it&quot; into a context I understand).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, Patrick. &#8220;Creating a context&#8221; is a thing an artist can bring to the music, in place of the curious PR job done in some cases so well and in some cases so badly by traditional labels. A &#8220;container&#8221; is a part of the equstion, as well as the metaphoric &#8220;container&#8221; of the narrative quality of the artist&#8217;s &#8220;intention&#8221;.</p>
<p>I think you&#8217;re right&#8211;we are moving beyond sharing mp3s into sharing culture in a context.<br />
This is why, I think, I rarely download a free mp3 from soundclick (unless I know the artist in another context), but often download a netlabel release from a label I reapect (or an ad on the yahoo message group that &#8220;gets it&#8221; into a context I understand).</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Woodward</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/04/18/gurdonark-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-436</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Woodward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 20:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What needs to happen is for the distribution/transaction points to mirror an artist&#039;s hub/spoke presence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What needs to happen is for the distribution/transaction points to mirror an artist&#8217;s hub/spoke presence.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Woodward</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/04/18/gurdonark-manifesto/comment-page-1/#comment-435</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Woodward</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 19:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thread that I see here is one of feeling the need to add a bit of context to the music itself.

That could be done with an image, a video, an enticing &quot;container&quot; for the music itself.

We&#039;re talking about moving beyond the sharing of mp3 files and getting into a world of sharing music in a way that gives it more meaning via it&#039;s context.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thread that I see here is one of feeling the need to add a bit of context to the music itself.</p>
<p>That could be done with an image, a video, an enticing &#8220;container&#8221; for the music itself.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking about moving beyond the sharing of mp3 files and getting into a world of sharing music in a way that gives it more meaning via it&#8217;s context.</p>
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