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		<title>By: victor</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/07/27/piracy-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-685</link>
		<dc:creator>victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:19:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;on one side, the record industry isn’t setup to work directly in free and fair marketplaces; on the other side, the record industry isn’t setup to be a completely illegal enterprise either&quot;

wow that&#039;s a great assessment - at least it maps to everything I&#039;ve learned about the industry since my first job at ABC records 29 years ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;on one side, the record industry isn’t setup to work directly in free and fair marketplaces; on the other side, the record industry isn’t setup to be a completely illegal enterprise either&#8221;</p>
<p>wow that&#8217;s a great assessment &#8211; at least it maps to everything I&#8217;ve learned about the industry since my first job at ABC records 29 years ago.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Fienberg</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/07/27/piracy-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-684</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Fienberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 03:07:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another way to look at it: the record industry has always, itself, been a kind of shady industry. Its greatest economic successes has always been an expression of something more (e.g., semi-legal / coerced) than free and fair marketplaces. 

To use your analogy, it&#039;s a house whose value has never been simply a reflection of its quality and neighborhood, but of illicit arrangements that boost its sales / profit.

Legitimate file sharing and illegal file sharing have hit the record industry for both sides: on one side, the record industry isn&#039;t setup to work directly in free and fair marketplaces; on the other side, the record industry isn&#039;t setup to be a completely illegal enterprise either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another way to look at it: the record industry has always, itself, been a kind of shady industry. Its greatest economic successes has always been an expression of something more (e.g., semi-legal / coerced) than free and fair marketplaces. </p>
<p>To use your analogy, it&#8217;s a house whose value has never been simply a reflection of its quality and neighborhood, but of illicit arrangements that boost its sales / profit.</p>
<p>Legitimate file sharing and illegal file sharing have hit the record industry for both sides: on one side, the record industry isn&#8217;t setup to work directly in free and fair marketplaces; on the other side, the record industry isn&#8217;t setup to be a completely illegal enterprise either.</p>
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		<title>By: gurdonark</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/07/27/piracy-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-679</link>
		<dc:creator>gurdonark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder what megaphone manufacturers did when modern amplification technology came along. 

The point you are making here is a good one. The valuation of music and even film IP assets must include a market reduction for the extent to which modern technology has changed the economics of the situation.

So many times the debate centers around issues that are nearly past their relevance. The DRM issue still evokes such passionate rage, but the curtain will close on DRM because it fails to work as a matter of technology and of market acceptance. Time begins to show that piracy will arise from people who smuggle out copies from the masters before one even gets to college kids on 
the &#039;net.

The RIAA mass lawsuit binge proved to be about as disastrous a public relations action as could be imagined.  Its main impact is for dinner-party anecdotes about how to destroy any good will an industry association might have built up.

The real estate analogy with music IP is useful.
Once, the creation of a specialized limited set of artists provided to the consumer through a carefully-controlled distribution-and-radio-hegemony marketing mode was seen as the &quot;highest and best use&quot; for music &quot;property&quot;. Now, the laws of technology zoning have changed. Music still can be &quot;monetized&quot;, but it may be that licensing it to accompany the daily news on Sunday may be a simpler way for the artist than the hassles of a record deal. It may be that recorded music is something best used for licensing. 

It&#039;s clear that whereas the old-time &quot;open house&quot; to sell music was a tightly-controlled radio or concert presence, liberal sharing by the artist is a more likely way to make the &quot;sale&quot;.

On a different road, far from the madding crowd of commerce, I am intrigued by the idea of a set of ideas like those Scandinavian countries that provide that everyone has an easement which permits them to walk on anyone else&#039;s land. In my vision, people make music a &quot;folkway&quot;, where everyone can share and cross.  It&#039;s the creation of these free footpaths that interests me the most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder what megaphone manufacturers did when modern amplification technology came along. </p>
<p>The point you are making here is a good one. The valuation of music and even film IP assets must include a market reduction for the extent to which modern technology has changed the economics of the situation.</p>
<p>So many times the debate centers around issues that are nearly past their relevance. The DRM issue still evokes such passionate rage, but the curtain will close on DRM because it fails to work as a matter of technology and of market acceptance. Time begins to show that piracy will arise from people who smuggle out copies from the masters before one even gets to college kids on<br />
the &#8216;net.</p>
<p>The RIAA mass lawsuit binge proved to be about as disastrous a public relations action as could be imagined.  Its main impact is for dinner-party anecdotes about how to destroy any good will an industry association might have built up.</p>
<p>The real estate analogy with music IP is useful.<br />
Once, the creation of a specialized limited set of artists provided to the consumer through a carefully-controlled distribution-and-radio-hegemony marketing mode was seen as the &#8220;highest and best use&#8221; for music &#8220;property&#8221;. Now, the laws of technology zoning have changed. Music still can be &#8220;monetized&#8221;, but it may be that licensing it to accompany the daily news on Sunday may be a simpler way for the artist than the hassles of a record deal. It may be that recorded music is something best used for licensing. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s clear that whereas the old-time &#8220;open house&#8221; to sell music was a tightly-controlled radio or concert presence, liberal sharing by the artist is a more likely way to make the &#8220;sale&#8221;.</p>
<p>On a different road, far from the madding crowd of commerce, I am intrigued by the idea of a set of ideas like those Scandinavian countries that provide that everyone has an easement which permits them to walk on anyone else&#8217;s land. In my vision, people make music a &#8220;folkway&#8221;, where everyone can share and cross.  It&#8217;s the creation of these free footpaths that interests me the most.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Gonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/07/27/piracy-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-677</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Gonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, there&#039;s a lot of that between the lines.  

- Even if I buy that CD purchasing is down because of filesharing rather than it simply being the wrong product in comparison to downloadable files.

- Even if I buy that downloads aren&#039;t selling because of filesharing rather than because the industry poisoned the well with DRM, horrible software, bad selection, etc.

- Even if I buy that sharing isn&#039;t more good for artists than bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, there&#8217;s a lot of that between the lines.  </p>
<p>- Even if I buy that CD purchasing is down because of filesharing rather than it simply being the wrong product in comparison to downloadable files.</p>
<p>- Even if I buy that downloads aren&#8217;t selling because of filesharing rather than because the industry poisoned the well with DRM, horrible software, bad selection, etc.</p>
<p>- Even if I buy that sharing isn&#8217;t more good for artists than bad.</p>
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		<title>By: victor</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2008/07/27/piracy-is-dead/comment-page-1/#comment-675</link>
		<dc:creator>victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 21:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>heh, this strikes me as an &#039;even if...&#039; argument.

as in: even if don&#039;t buy any of the early arguments by o&#039;reilly, chris anderson, doctorow, et. al. that sharing of any kind benefits the artists...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>heh, this strikes me as an &#8216;even if&#8230;&#8217; argument.</p>
<p>as in: even if don&#8217;t buy any of the early arguments by o&#8217;reilly, chris anderson, doctorow, et. al. that sharing of any kind benefits the artists&#8230;</p>
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