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		<title>By: Lucas Gonze&#8217; blog &#187; on user unhappiness with the Hype Machine redesign</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2009/01/08/tinysong-vs-mixturtle-smackdown/comment-page-1/#comment-3093</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Gonze&#8217; blog &#187; on user unhappiness with the Hype Machine redesign</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jan 2009 00:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Greg&#8217;s reaction to the TinySong post: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2009/01/08/tinysong-vs-mixturtle-smackdown/comment-page-1/#comment-3092</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jan 2009 18:51:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lucas, Hype Machine pretty much &quot;manages redirects to third party song hosts&quot;. They don&#039;t have all this fancy &quot;pastable URL&quot; technology, but you could build it on top of their site as Greasemonkey script that mashed them up with TinyURL.

In fact, when Hype Machine relaunched with their current vc-funded site lo these many moons ago (fall &#039;07), they had greatly de-emphasized the ability to listen to the music on their own site to the point of making it quite difficult and were focusing solely on the ability to read snippets of blog posts, with listening left to clicking through to the original page. There was such an incredible outcry from their users that, to their credit, they rapidly retreated, restoring much of the listen-on-site functionality that had been the core of the previous Hype Machine (read their blog posts around this moment, here: http://blog.hypem.com/page/4/ and particularly the very striking contrast between: http://blog.hypem.com/2007/10/whats-new-on-the-hype-machine/ and http://blog.hypem.com/2007/10/so-wheres-the-flash-pop-up-player/ and the following posts; just watch them struggle to convince their audience that hypem is about more than just listening to the songs in the face of the obvious rejection of that idea).

The idea that some other more contemporary technology (such as micro-blog linking or taste publishing) can supersede actually listening to music as the core of a successful web-based music technology, an idea that the labels have pushed had via their all-out war on the actual listening technology of all stripes and we web-devs have accepted in the name of peace and practicability, is why their has been no really large scale breakout music site in this era of large scale breakout media sites. On the web, finding stuff means search. And listening means mp3s and flash. There just aren&#039;t that many ways to combine those technologies, and there, apparently, aren&#039;t any that can both withstand labels&#039; legal pressure and provide a user experience of any large scale value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lucas, Hype Machine pretty much &#8220;manages redirects to third party song hosts&#8221;. They don&#8217;t have all this fancy &#8220;pastable URL&#8221; technology, but you could build it on top of their site as Greasemonkey script that mashed them up with TinyURL.</p>
<p>In fact, when Hype Machine relaunched with their current vc-funded site lo these many moons ago (fall &#8216;07), they had greatly de-emphasized the ability to listen to the music on their own site to the point of making it quite difficult and were focusing solely on the ability to read snippets of blog posts, with listening left to clicking through to the original page. There was such an incredible outcry from their users that, to their credit, they rapidly retreated, restoring much of the listen-on-site functionality that had been the core of the previous Hype Machine (read their blog posts around this moment, here: <a href="http://blog.hypem.com/page/4/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.hypem.com/page/4/</a> and particularly the very striking contrast between: <a href="http://blog.hypem.com/2007/10/whats-new-on-the-hype-machine/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.hypem.com/2007/10/whats-new-on-the-hype-machine/</a> and <a href="http://blog.hypem.com/2007/10/so-wheres-the-flash-pop-up-player/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.hypem.com/2007/10/so-wheres-the-flash-pop-up-player/</a> and the following posts; just watch them struggle to convince their audience that hypem is about more than just listening to the songs in the face of the obvious rejection of that idea).</p>
<p>The idea that some other more contemporary technology (such as micro-blog linking or taste publishing) can supersede actually listening to music as the core of a successful web-based music technology, an idea that the labels have pushed had via their all-out war on the actual listening technology of all stripes and we web-devs have accepted in the name of peace and practicability, is why their has been no really large scale breakout music site in this era of large scale breakout media sites. On the web, finding stuff means search. And listening means mp3s and flash. There just aren&#8217;t that many ways to combine those technologies, and there, apparently, aren&#8217;t any that can both withstand labels&#8217; legal pressure and provide a user experience of any large scale value.</p>
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		<title>By: Myke</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2009/01/08/tinysong-vs-mixturtle-smackdown/comment-page-1/#comment-3083</link>
		<dc:creator>Myke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 20:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right, I do not.  Nor do I see any text claiming to search any particular source.  It is, however, branded and &quot;powered by&quot; grooveshark, with a link to said site.  I immediately guessed all songs would be links to their site.  Your mind jumped the other direction.  Doesn&#039;t mean their faking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right, I do not.  Nor do I see any text claiming to search any particular source.  It is, however, branded and &#8220;powered by&#8221; grooveshark, with a link to said site.  I immediately guessed all songs would be links to their site.  Your mind jumped the other direction.  Doesn&#8217;t mean their faking.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Gonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2009/01/08/tinysong-vs-mixturtle-smackdown/comment-page-1/#comment-3079</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Gonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 00:14:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You see that description on TinySong somewhere, Myke?  I see it on a site that is for all practical purposes a third party site, because it isn&#039;t linked or acknowledged from TinySong.  It&#039;s a fake kind of decentralization.

Anyhow, what&#039;s more interesting is that this company is choosing to pay royalties for song plays rather than linking off to third party sites for them.  They have already set up licensing deals and are using them to power a new product, TinySong.

Which means there doesn&#039;t yet exist a company which does nothing but manage redirects to third party song hosts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You see that description on TinySong somewhere, Myke?  I see it on a site that is for all practical purposes a third party site, because it isn&#8217;t linked or acknowledged from TinySong.  It&#8217;s a fake kind of decentralization.</p>
<p>Anyhow, what&#8217;s more interesting is that this company is choosing to pay royalties for song plays rather than linking off to third party sites for them.  They have already set up licensing deals and are using them to power a new product, TinySong.</p>
<p>Which means there doesn&#8217;t yet exist a company which does nothing but manage redirects to third party song hosts.</p>
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		<title>By: Myke</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2009/01/08/tinysong-vs-mixturtle-smackdown/comment-page-1/#comment-3078</link>
		<dc:creator>Myke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 23:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fake?  From the description of the service, I doubt tinysong was ever meant to be decentralized.


&quot;TinySong is a simple search box connected to Grooveshark&#039;s library of over 6 million songs. Type in a tune and we&#039;ll give you back an adorably short link that goes to it--and plays. Great for twitter, IM, signatures, and anywhere else you want to send your friends a song.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fake?  From the description of the service, I doubt tinysong was ever meant to be decentralized.</p>
<p>&#8220;TinySong is a simple search box connected to Grooveshark&#8217;s library of over 6 million songs. Type in a tune and we&#8217;ll give you back an adorably short link that goes to it&#8211;and plays. Great for twitter, IM, signatures, and anywhere else you want to send your friends a song.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Gonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2009/01/08/tinysong-vs-mixturtle-smackdown/comment-page-1/#comment-3077</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Gonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fake decentralization!  

It makes me want to do a tiny song clone that is genuinely decentralized.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fake decentralization!  </p>
<p>It makes me want to do a tiny song clone that is genuinely decentralized.</p>
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		<title>By: J Herskowitz</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2009/01/08/tinysong-vs-mixturtle-smackdown/comment-page-1/#comment-3074</link>
		<dc:creator>J Herskowitz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:43:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, TinySong is from the same company as GrooveShark... http://www.escapemg.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, TinySong is from the same company as GrooveShark&#8230; <a href="http://www.escapemg.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.escapemg.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Vishal</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2009/01/08/tinysong-vs-mixturtle-smackdown/comment-page-1/#comment-3073</link>
		<dc:creator>Vishal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 20:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Might have something to do with the fact it says &quot;Powered By Grooveshark&quot; on the bottom right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Might have something to do with the fact it says &#8220;Powered By Grooveshark&#8221; on the bottom right.</p>
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