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		<title>By: to HTML5: show me the money &#8212; Lucas Gonze&#8217;s blog</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2010/01/27/html-n-vs-local-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-5228</link>
		<dc:creator>to HTML5: show me the money &#8212; Lucas Gonze&#8217;s blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Maybe HTML5 will indeed make the technology stack for iPhone apps obsolete. But Greg points out that there&#8217;s nothing to stand in for the business stack: [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Maybe HTML5 will indeed make the technology stack for iPhone apps obsolete. But Greg points out that there&#8217;s nothing to stand in for the business stack: [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Crosbie Fitch</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2010/01/27/html-n-vs-local-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-5227</link>
		<dc:creator>Crosbie Fitch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greg, did you ever come across http://micropledge.com ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greg, did you ever come across <a href="http://micropledge.com" rel="nofollow">http://micropledge.com</a> ?</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2010/01/27/html-n-vs-local-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-5225</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;real goal of any developer&quot; is to build awesome apps they&#039;re proud of and making a living doing it.

Beyond the technical capacities of native vs. web apps, I think we underestimate the value of the ecosystem of small app business that Apple has created with the store.

Sometimes the web makes things free as in &quot;liberated&quot; but sometimes it makes things free as in &quot;worthless&quot;.

I don&#039;t want to turn into a closed source anti-freedom reactionary, but there&#039;s got to be some place in here for a business model for app makers. 

What could we put in HTML5 that would support that?

So far, the only one I&#039;m seeing is in B2B or Geek2Geek plays like Salesforce and GitHub. Everything else is venture capital pump-and-dump bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;real goal of any developer&#8221; is to build awesome apps they&#8217;re proud of and making a living doing it.</p>
<p>Beyond the technical capacities of native vs. web apps, I think we underestimate the value of the ecosystem of small app business that Apple has created with the store.</p>
<p>Sometimes the web makes things free as in &#8220;liberated&#8221; but sometimes it makes things free as in &#8220;worthless&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t want to turn into a closed source anti-freedom reactionary, but there&#8217;s got to be some place in here for a business model for app makers. </p>
<p>What could we put in HTML5 that would support that?</p>
<p>So far, the only one I&#8217;m seeing is in B2B or Geek2Geek plays like Salesforce and GitHub. Everything else is venture capital pump-and-dump bullshit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Fienberg</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2010/01/27/html-n-vs-local-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-5214</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Fienberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 23:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the late 1990s / early 2000s, I did a lot of remote database replication / sync web applications with Sybase database products that were quite mature and excellent. You could actually do syncs on web files (e.g., between local sites running on laptops and sites live on web) by storing web assets in the database.

And, I imagine that the techniques and policies used by those Sybase apps are what people are going to have to recreate for really robust HTML remote storage. 

I am sure some frameworks ala jQuery will eventually come into being that let you just set some parameters in a JS config file, and have it handle everything.

But, until then, people will need to figure out partitioning of data, and which partitions sync in which directions (cloud to remote only, two-way, remote to cloud only). 

And then there are some partitions that can be state-based-sync&#039;d (just sync to current state--this is like what a VCS does) while others might have to be transaction-based-sync&#039;d (replaying all of the non-sync&#039;d transactions, in order). 

And, then of course, you also need a conflict resolution mechanism and error correction for failed syncs!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the late 1990s / early 2000s, I did a lot of remote database replication / sync web applications with Sybase database products that were quite mature and excellent. You could actually do syncs on web files (e.g., between local sites running on laptops and sites live on web) by storing web assets in the database.</p>
<p>And, I imagine that the techniques and policies used by those Sybase apps are what people are going to have to recreate for really robust HTML remote storage. </p>
<p>I am sure some frameworks ala jQuery will eventually come into being that let you just set some parameters in a JS config file, and have it handle everything.</p>
<p>But, until then, people will need to figure out partitioning of data, and which partitions sync in which directions (cloud to remote only, two-way, remote to cloud only). </p>
<p>And then there are some partitions that can be state-based-sync&#8217;d (just sync to current state&#8211;this is like what a VCS does) while others might have to be transaction-based-sync&#8217;d (replaying all of the non-sync&#8217;d transactions, in order). </p>
<p>And, then of course, you also need a conflict resolution mechanism and error correction for failed syncs!</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Gonze</title>
		<link>http://gonze.com/blog/2010/01/27/html-n-vs-local-apps/comment-page-1/#comment-5212</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Gonze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any thoughts on how you&#039;ll resolve the datasync?  

The problem set is a lot like source control.  CVS?  SVN?  Git?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any thoughts on how you&#8217;ll resolve the datasync?  </p>
<p>The problem set is a lot like source control.  CVS?  SVN?  Git?</p>
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		<title>By: magomarcelo</title>
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		<dc:creator>magomarcelo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m thinking about using HTML5 to build a desktop application I can run as a portable app from an usb stick, provided I have a portable Firefox on it - the alternatives could be go native or using Java or AIR but withou installing runtimes it is difficult - the only problem I would have to solve is really datasync with a remote store when online</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m thinking about using HTML5 to build a desktop application I can run as a portable app from an usb stick, provided I have a portable Firefox on it &#8211; the alternatives could be go native or using Java or AIR but withou installing runtimes it is difficult &#8211; the only problem I would have to solve is really datasync with a remote store when online</p>
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